Sibel Edmonds’ Testimony to Ohio Elections Commission


Ohio Elections Commission

  • Jean Schmidt v. David Krikorian
  • 241 pages
  • August 8, 2009


18 One of the entries indicates
19 nuclear secrets black market, and it says,
20 “Edmonds alleges that in the course of her
21 work for the government she found evidence
22 that the FBI, State Department and Pentagon

1 had been infiltrated by a Turkish and Israeli
2 run intelligence network that paid high
3 ranking American officials to steal nuclear
4 weapons secrets,” and they have some footnotes
5 for that, some cites.
6 Is that correct that you’ve made
7 those allegations?
8 A That information is correct, and
9 if ever — you can get, I would say, those
10 government organizations and others. There’s
11 another place missing there. They list the
12 State Department itself, but there is one
13 other place that’s missing.
14 Q And what is that place?
15 A That would be RAND Corporation.
16 Q And can you tell me about the —
17 give me some more information about the
18 Turkish and Israeli run intelligence network
19 that is referred to there?
20 A This information has been public,
21 documenting methods of intelligence gathering.
22 Yes. Through certain U.S. officials,

1 executively appointed officials, foreign
2 entities, not necessarily or not only
3 government related; so if you say Israel and
4 Turkey, not only government but other entities
5 because it has multi-layers.
6 Q All right.
7 A Their operations, and some of
8 these layers sometimes they conduct their
9 operations independently and with the sole
10 purpose of obtaining a profit, and therefore,
11 the information they obtain, let’s say, the
12 nuclear or weapons technology, weapons
13 technology related information doesn’t
14 necessarily only go to Turkey or Israel, but
15 they sell it to the highest bidder. That’s
16 how they operate. They contact their people
17 whether it’s in ISI, in Washington, D.C. part
18 of the military attache for Pakistani
19 intelligence, or the certain Saudi business
20 people in Detroit may be contacted, and they
21 say, okay, and talk about these Turkish
22 entities. This is we have obtained this

1 particular DVD containing this, and this
2 person is willing to pay 500,000. Will you
3 offer more because if you don’t, we will give
4 it to this person.
5 So what I’m trying to say is they
6 do it both for governments, foreign
7 governments, but some of those operatives,
8 they also — they offer it in open market, and
9 they have — they have individuals on their
10 payroll on almost every major nuclear facility
11 in the United States. RAND Corporation and
12 various — in Midwest, various Air Force labs
13 that develop certain weapons technology, which
14 I am not very familiar with the technology
15 itself.
16 Q When you refer to the or when the
17 article refers to the paid, high ranking
18 American officials, can you identify who they
19 are?
20 A That person has been identified by
21 others.
22 Q Okay.

A And he has been identified as Mr.
2 Marc Grossman, who used to work for the State
3 Department.
4 Q Right, and Mr. Grossman, I think,
5 was also in your gallery, correct?
6 A Yes.
7 Q And I read somewhere that Mr.
8 Grossman had some relationships with a Turkish
9 organization, Turkish diplomats here in the
10 United States.
11 A Yes. He had very, very close
12 relationship with not only Turkish diplomatic
13 communities and entities, but business and
14 also some of these criminal layer operatives
15 that I told you about. Currently, that he’s
16 nor working; he actually is working for a
17 Turkish company called Ihals Holding.
18 Q Okay. Now, was Mr. Grossman the
19 ambassador to Turkey at some point?
20 A Yes.
21 Q Okay, and then what was his
22 position at the State Department, if you

1 recall?
2 A He had several different
3 positions. I believe in 1999 or 2000, was
4 European Affairs. That dealt a lot with NATO,
5 and afterwards during early bush
6 administration’s stage, he was the second or
7 the third highest person in the State
8 Department. I’m not sure about the title.
9 Q Okay, and during that time — I’m
10 sorry — during that time when he was the
11 second or third highest ranking person in
12 State, I’ve read somewhere that you’ve alleged
13 that he actually warned the Turkish Embassy
14 about a CIA front company that had been set up
15 to stop proliferation of nuclear weapons.
16 A That would be summer 2001.
17 Whatever title he held at that point, he, Mr.
18 Grossman, informed a certain Turkish
19 diplomatic entity who was also an independent
20 operative of a company called Brewster
21 Jennings because Brewster Jennings was
22 frequenting the American Turkish Council as a

1 consulting or analyst firm, and there were
2 certain nuclear related operatives who wanted
3 to hire Brewster Jennings and have it pose as
4 a front company.
5 So there were talks between those
6 Turkish operatives and Brewster Jennings, and
7 Mr. Grossman wanted those people to be warned
8 that Brewster Jennings was a government front,
9 front for government, and it was a front. It
10 was not a company for the front for
11 government, U.S. government, and for those
12 Turkish individuals to be told to stay away
13 from Brewster Jennings.
14 But the person who received that
15 information, the Turkish diplomatic but also
16 operative, actually contacted the Pakistani
17 military attache and discussed with the person
18 who was there about this fact and also told
19 them, warned them to stay away from Brewster
20 Jennings.
21 Q And now was this one of the
22 allegations or one of the concerns that you

1 brought to the attention of anybody at any
2 point?
3 A You mean when I was working for
4 the FBI —
5 Q Yes.
6 A — and I blew the whistle inside
7 the FBI?
8 Q Right.
9 A No, I didn’t do it inside the FBI
10 because at that point I didn’t know they were
11 covering up this information. Only after I
12 was fired and the State Secrets Privilege was
13 invoked, and knowing what I knew, I went to
14 Congress and discussed it with certain people
15 in Congress. I brought it up with the
16 Inspector General’s Office inside during a
17 meeting, and at that point will provide them
18 the details in terms of dates and who were
19 those targets, which I can’t provide right
20 now, the direct targets.
21 Q And when you say “the Inspector
22 General’s Office,” do you mean a DOJ Inspector

1 General?
2 A Correct. I’m sorry. Glenn
3 Fine’s, under Glenn Fine’s office.
4 Q And why would Mr. Grossman, if you
5 know, warn the Turkish government and other
6 people not to deal with this CIA front?
7 A There were various relationships
8 and various activities Mr. Grossman was
9 engaged with these individuals, and I don’t
10 know which reasons was the top reason for him
11 to do it. Some of them were the monetary
12 relationship, but others dated back to
13 operations that he was leading while he was an
14 ambassador in — U.S. ambassador in Ankara, in
15 Turkey, until 1997, and some of these
16 operatives dealt with him, and they were doing
17 certain operations in Central Asia for him.
18 I don’t know who he was working
19 for, Mr. Grossman, at the time for his
20 operations.
21 It’s hard for me to tell. He was
22 involved in so many different things, and I

1 don’t know which one constitutes the biggest
2 reason he was providing this.
3 Q Just going back to the Israeli,
4 we’ve talked mostly about the Turkish
5 organizations.
6 A Yes.
7 Q Turkish government. Are you aware
8 of the Israeli government or Israeli
9 organizations influencing members of Congress
10 as well?
11 A Not directly, not directly.
12 Q Indirectly?
13 A Indirectly, based on how they
14 work, some of the largest Israeli lobby groups
15 with the entities such as ATC and also the
16 Turkish diplomatic community and how they
17 actually trained and make it possible for the
18 Turkish lobby and these entities to do it.
19 they had training period in ’96 and ’98 from
20 individuals that were sent to them from both
21 APAC and JINSA, both the lobbying, but also on
22 covering the money track, covering up the

1 money track.
2 Q One of the other entries on your
3 Wikipedia entry indicates that you had accused
4 Mr. Hastert and other, quote, high ranking
5 members of U.S. government of — let me make
6 sure I’m reading this correctly.
7 The entry says, “Edmonds also
8 accuses Dennis Hastert of taking bribes.” I
9 think we’ve talked about that; is that
10 correct?
11 A Yes.
12 Q And then it says, “And high
13 ranking members of the U.S. government of
14 selling nuclear secrets to Turkey and
15 Pakistan.”
16 Did you allege that high ranking
17 members in the U.S. government had sold
18 nuclear secrets to Turkey and Pakistan?
19 A They were involved in operations
20 that were obtaining illegally U.S. weapons and
21 nuclear related technology and sell it to
22 foreign governments and also foreign

1 independent operatives.
2 Q Now, one of the other entries
3 indicates, it says 911 For Knowledge, and I’ll
4 just read it. It says, “She claims that the
5 FBI received information in April 2001 from a
6 reliable Iranian intelligence asset that Osama
7 bin Ladin was planning attacks on four to five
8 cities with planes. Some of the people were
9 already in the country, and the attacks would
10 happen in a few months.”
11 Did you — did you make that
12 claim?
13 A I took the language specialist,
14 Farsi speaking language specialist, senior
15 language specialist from the Iranian Division,
16 Farsi Division, FBI, Washington field office,
17 who worked right next to me, to the 9/11
18 Commission and Inspector General’s Office, and
19 he testified on this.
20 He informed me and he showed me
21 this translator Bekru (phonetic) Sharsahr, and
22 there are documents out there that he went to

1 the Inspector General’s Office. He gave them
2 the documents, the translated documents on the
3 Iranians.
4 I was not part of that
5 translation. I was not involved. After I
6 left the FBI because I was witness to that
7 department, what they had obtained, I just
8 facilitated Mr. Sharshar’s meeting with 9/11
9 Commission and also with the Glenn Fine,
10 Department of Justice Inspector General’s
11 Office, and I put him in touch with the
12 members of media. But that’s my only
13 involvement with that Iranian case.
14 Q Do you believe that that’s why the
15 9/11 — the families of the 9/11 victims
16 wanted to get your testimony in connection
17 with their case?
18 A I am not sure because as far as I
19 knew, it had to do with the government of
20 Saudi Arabia and the Saudi Arabian financial
21 institutions. I was not told anything about
22 Iranian case.

1 Q We’ve talked about some members of
2 Congress having connections with the Turkish
3 government or Turkish organizations. Are
4 there others that you’re aware of other than
5 the ones we’ve discussed already?
6 A Congressional members?
7 Q Congressional members.
8 A Yes.
9 Q Can you identify some of them?
10 A Their pictures are on the — I
11 have pictures included in my Website, and they
12 can be identified. There’s several there
13 outside the ones you named.
14 Q I just — I looked at the Website
15 but didn’t recognize —
16 A Okay.
17 Q — some of them. So would you be
18 able to tell me who the other pictures are?
19 A Others have been — they’re all
20 identified as public information.
21 Q Yes.
22 A Tom Lantos is one of them.

1 Q All right.
2 A I believe he passed away, and Tom
3 Lantos’ office would be not only with the
4 bribe, but also in disclosing highest level
5 protected U.S. intelligence and weapons
6 technology information both to Israel and to
7 Turkey. His office was also involved with
8 that. It was not only bribery, but it was
9 other very serious criminal conduct.
10 Roy Blunt is there. There have
11 been individuals with a question mark there.
12 The reason there’s a question mark is I lacked
13 — I was terminated by April 2002, but this
14 particular Congresswoman — the Turkish —
15 these Turkish organizations and operatives, if
16 they can’t do it by money, they do by
17 blackmail. So they collect information on
18 sexual lives and other information like that,
19 and with this particular Congresswoman, it
20 being 2000 until I left, they — this
21 individual, this Congresswoman’s married with
22 children, grown children, but she is bisexual.

1 So they have sent Turkish female agents, and
2 that Turkish female agents work for Turkish
3 government, and have sexual relationship with
4 this Congresswoman in her townhouse actually
5 in this area, and the entire episodes of their
6 sexual conduct was being filmed because the
7 entire house, this Congressional woman’s house
8 was bugged. So they have all that documented
9 to be used for certain things that they wanted
10 to request when I left. So I don’t know
11 whether she — that Congresswoman complied and
12 gave. That’s why I couldn’t use her name
13 because I don’t — I meant her face because I
14 don’t know if she did anything illegal
15 afterwards.
16 But she was — there are things;
17 information was being collected for blackmail
18 purposes, and her lesbian relationship, and
19 they, the Turkish entities, wanted both
20 congressional related favoritism from her, but
21 also her husband was in a high position in the
22 area in the state she was elected from, and

1 these Turkish entities ran certain illegal
2 operations, and they wanted her husband’s
3 help. But I don’t know if she provided them
4 with those. I left. I was terminated.
5 Q And can you tell me how you know
6 all that, everything you just told me?
7 A I can’t discuss the intelligence
8 gathering method by the FBI, but in general
9 terms, when foreign targets among themselves
10 discuss how they were going to achieve certain
11 goals, objectives, and if those communications
12 are collected and recorded, not only do you
13 have that communications, but in some cases
14 they involved field office surveillance team
15 to see that actually they completed.
16 For example, if they say —
17 somebody says at five o’clock they’re going to
18 bug his house, the surveillance team would go
19 out and see that he had (unintelligible). So
20 there were various ways that things were
21 collected.

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